La farce Manoian

[admin]

[506th]

A ce jour y a t il des retomber dans la presse local ?
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Sous chaque croix blanche du cimetière Américain de Colleville-sur-Mer ( Normandie) , dort un morceau de Liberté.

Amis du 325th GIR...

[panzerfaust]

Pas entendu parler en tout cas.

mais, cher admin, j'ai bien compris ça, mais j'ai pas trop pigé comment il avait eu l'idée d'aller fouillé dans les documents de la 33rd Chemical Decontamination company.

[gennaker]

En partant du ASN probablement....

[manoian paratrooper]

[panzerfaust]

Et bien, on attend qu'on nous montre les preuves de sa bonne foi. Pour l'instant on a surtout vu celles de Brian Siddall qui n'est pas le dernier des imbéciles.

T'es le fils spirituel?

[Bruno C.]

Bonsoir Manoian Paratrooper,

Merci de se présenter dans la rubrique adéquate, c'est la moindre des choses.

Cordialement,
bruno
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[Glider Pilot]

[admin]

[Joukov]

Un article de Stars ans Stripes du 16 juin 2009.

A jump from the truth?

Vet’s account of ’44 air drop over France questioned

By Seth Robbins, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Tuesday, June 16, 2009


A man whose accounts of landing behind enemy lines as a paratrooper on D-Day earned him ample press attention may have fabricated them, according to a newspaper report and military records.

Howard Manoian, 84, had in recent years described to several newspapers, including Stars and Stripes, his harrowing jumps into France and Holland as part of Company A, 1st Battalion, 505th Parachute Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division. But military records never listed him with that unit during World War II. Instead, they showed him as serving with the 33rd Chemical Decontamination Company, which was in charge of a supply dump in Audouville-la-Hubert, France.

"He was never part of the paratroopers," said researcher Brian Siddall of Ithaca, N.Y., who first told the Boston Herald about his allegations.

Siddall cited many morning reports and payroll records listing Manoian in the 33rd Chemical Decontamination Company throughout 1944.

"The evidence is overwhelming and these reports are accurate," he said.

The Boston Herald first exposed Manoian’s apparent misstatements last week. Stripes could not reach Manoian by phone at his home near Sainte-Mère-Église where he has lived for the last several years. His landlord said he had returned to the United States after becoming severely ill.

Manoian was scheduled to receive France’s highest military honor, the Legion of Honor, during a ceremony last Saturday, commemorating the 65th anniversary of the Allied invasion. An official at the Grande Chancellerie de la Légion d’Honneur confirmed that Manoian was slated to receive an award from the organization, but could not provide more details.

According to the Herald story, National Archives records provided to the newspaper by military researchers showed Manoian does deserve recognition as one of thousands of American soldiers who were present on D-Day. Manoian’s chemical warfare unit came ashore on Utah Beach and ran the supply dump.

Manoian told Stripes in 2006 that he landed on June 6, 1944, in a cemetery in Sainte-Mère-Église, and helped to fend off Germans who were flooding back into the French town. Manoian said he was shot twice: first on June 17, 1944, in the left hand and both legs, and then he said he injured his right arm, hand and head when a German plane strafed the Utah Beach hospital, where he was recuperating.

Medical records show that Manoian was treated twice for injuries suffered during the war. The first time, though, was for a superficial hand wound and he was released the next day, Siddall said. Manoian was also injured on June 17, 1944, but records show he was treated for a broken middle finger at a hospital in England. He was not discharged from that hospital until November 1944, contradicting his claims that jumped into Holland in September 1944. Both medical unit reports list him with Chemical Warfare Service, Siddall said.

Even as late as March 21, 1945, medical reports show Manoian listed as part of the Chemical Warfare Service, not the paratroops, Siddall said.


http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63328


Si je comprends bien (mais je suis un peu limité à ce niveau là...) il aurait aussi menti sur sa participation à la Hollande en septembre 1944 ?
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[COPI]

Petite parenthèse pour vous rappeler le cas célèbrissime de l'arnaque Misha Defonseca avec son livre "survivre avec les loups"
(petite fille juive qui parcourt l'Europe à la recherche de ses parents déportés et survivant grâce aux loups)

Même les "historiens" se plantent de temps à autres. Mais dans le cas Manoian ça sent le brûlé!

Pierre
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[gennaker]

147 jours à Tidworth Hospital, Angleterre... à compter du 17 juin... donc pas de Hollande....

Pour la question concernant le 33rd Decon ; la traçabilité vient des deux Purple Hearts de manoian. C'est en retraçant l'historique de ses blessures et hospitalisation (doigt cassé en juin et shell fragment ne nécessitant pas d'hospitalisation en mars 45) que, non seulement Brian Siddal n'a retrouvé aucune trace de Manoian au 505 PIR, mais l'a en revanche retrouvé dans cette unité de décontamination qui, pour la petite histoire, a installé des douches pour la 82nd Airborne en juillet 44....

[Joukov]

[gennaker]

Non car il était déjà en Angleterre au moment de cette anecdote....

[panzerfaust]

Et bah montre les nous les documents comme ça on sera fixé au lieu de nous crier qu'on a tort sans preuve. Pour l'instant on a vu que des preuves contre lui, mais toi tu as la possibilité de nous prouver le contraire.